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Old 03-13-2012, 12:02 AM   #211
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Not sure what everybody has against the farm. Where exactly are they supposed to go? Do you guys want it to be like The Fugitive/The Hulk/Knight Rider/The A-Team/The Pretender where they go to a different town every week to help defend somebody from zombie attacks or something?
Did you read any of the series or just seen the shows?
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:41 AM   #212
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Not sure what everybody has against the farm.
There is barely any threat on the farm. The only threat that comes is when somebody decides to venture out and make a complete moron of themselves. Sure, it would be SMART of them to stay on the farm, but it makes for boring television.

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Where exactly are they supposed to go?
The prison hopefully...but seeing the show's budget was cut, I'm not sure if that whole scenario is entirely feasible. But with the Governor being cast, maybe it's still in the cards? Either way, this Little House in the Zombie Apocalypse needs to end.

Week in and week out, I can just imagine seeing zombies lined up against that chain linked fence ala Day of the Dead constantly reminding the survivors of what still lies out there while they "live it up" in the prison. I loved seeing that backdrop in the comics.

The show is great now though....a complete 180 from where the second season started. Interactions between characters, the zombie carnage (I think they found the perfect mix), just everything seems a lot sharper and crisper; more polished. The moral duality theme was also such a great addition albeit a little on the dramatic side. But now that Shane and Dale are gone, I wonder if Rick is going to go off the deep end? The show is just a lot more entertaining. I actually look forward to watching it every Sunday, and I am especially pumped for next weeks finale...how badass was that disclaimer during the preview?

I still hate Lori and Carl though...Carl more so. I don't no whose job it is to write shit for this terrible kid actor, but I think they need to give it a rest. How is it that this kid is allowed to just wonder off unattended CONSTANTLY? In the comic, the children were watched at all times and there was a rotation of people who would be on babysitting duty...the kids were never left alone. Lori was practically attached at the hip with Carl. I understand Rick is off busy making decisions for the group and what have you, but what the hell is Lori doing while her kid is throwing rocks at zombies and finding glocks on motorcycles? Do the writers not understand how bad at parenting this makes Rick and Lori look?

All I ask for in Season 3....is less Carl, and more T-Dog...and bring back Merle, other than that, keep up the solid work.

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Would love me some more Merle!
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Old 03-13-2012, 06:21 AM   #214
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Do you guys want it to be like The Fugitive/The Hulk/Knight Rider/The A-Team/The Pretender where they go to a different town every week to help defend somebody from zombie attacks or something?
Well, if it was more like 'The Equalizer', or at least 'Burn Notice', I'd watch it.

Of course no one on the cast can stand up to even the shadow of Edward Woodward, so fat chance they'd pull it off even if they tried.
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Old 03-13-2012, 07:02 AM   #215
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Loved the last episode, except for one thing.... Rick & Shane walked for what seemed like miles through the woods to have their stand-off in and open field that was just a few hundred yards away and in plain sight of the farmhouse....
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Loved the last episode, except for one thing.... Rick & Shane walked for what seemed like miles through the woods to have their stand-off in and open field that was just a few hundred yards away and in plain sight of the farmhouse....
Yeah, that was Shane's grand plan? And Carl just walks around unattended? Great parenting. The zombie action on this show is excellent, but everything else is pretty eye-rolling when you stop to mull it over.

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I have a good time watching this show and agree that it's gotten better from last season, but it's pretty convenient most of the time.
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Old 03-13-2012, 12:39 PM   #217
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Did you read any of the series or just seen the shows?
I read the entire thing. I'm disappointed as anybody that that got to the farm so fast and they spent the first half of the season looking for the little girl, but they've clearly decided so far to keep each season a rough equivalent of each volume of the comic. The Farm was the storyline for the full second half of Volume 2, and the prison wasn't until Volume 3-8. You want them to get to the prison, Chomp? Seriously? And people accuse the producers of cutting corners on the budget, now. Sure, it was a great storyline in the comic but once they're there, they're there for a looooong time.

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Loved the last episode, except for one thing.... Rick & Shane walked for what seemed like miles through the woods to have their stand-off in and open field that was just a few hundred yards away and in plain sight of the farmhouse....
I also thought it was weird that Shane waited so long to do anything (not so sure it was in clear site of the farmhouse though. It's a big property), but that shows that he was having second thoughts and a hard time doing what he wanted to do. It also made it easy for Rick to get the drop on him. Shane didn't fully commit himself, and yet he did because Rick did what needed to be done at that point. Shane crossed the line and if he didn't get up the nerve to kill him then and there, it was inevitable that he would.

Also, the zombies were coming anyways because the swamp was drying up. Also, it's the end of the season. What else would you expect for a finale?

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Old 03-13-2012, 01:11 PM   #218
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I still hate Lori and Carl though...Carl more so. I don't no whose job it is to write shit for this terrible kid actor, but I think they need to give it a rest. How is it that this kid is allowed to just wonder off unattended CONSTANTLY? In the comic, the children were watched at all times and there was a rotation of people who would be on babysitting duty...the kids were never left alone. Lori was practically attached at the hip with Carl. I understand Rick is off busy making decisions for the group and what have you, but what the hell is Lori doing while her kid is throwing rocks at zombies and finding glocks on motorcycles? Do the writers not understand how bad at parenting this makes Rick and Lori look?
For what it's worth, Carl is considerably older than the 7 year old that is in the comics. Maybe they've become a bit too comfortable from their surroundings, but for the most part the farm is safe. One has to wonder, though, are you a parent? From my experience, it's nigh impossible to watch a kid 24-7 once they reach a certain age. All total Carl probably wasn't pestering that zombie for longer than 15 minutes, and realistically he probably wasn't more than a 15 minute walk from the house. With the amount of people around watching each other's back I don't think that I'd be worrying myself to death if my daughter or son was out of my sight for less than an hour.

I do agree that it feels like they're trying too hard to make likeable characters from the books into complete dicks or just plain annoying. They did a great job with Glen, but I cannot stand Andrea at all. Lori and Carl I'm kind of meh on.

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Old 03-13-2012, 07:06 PM   #219
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Chomp? Seriously? And people accuse the producers of cutting corners on the budget, now. Sure, it was a great storyline in the comic but once they're there, they're there for a looooong time.
Oh yeah, because they've been following the source material so close as it is, right?... why stop now?

And no one's accusing the producers of anything. Its a fact the budget was cut before the second season even began shooting.

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For what it's worth, Carl is considerably older than the 7 year old that is in the comics. Maybe they've become a bit too comfortable from their surroundings, but for the most part the farm is safe. One has to wonder, though, are you a parent? From my experience, it's nigh impossible to watch a kid 24-7 once they reach a certain age. All total Carl probably wasn't pestering that zombie for longer than 15 minutes, and realistically he probably wasn't more than a 15 minute walk from the house. With the amount of people around watching each other's back I don't think that I'd be worrying myself to death if my daughter or son was out of my sight for less than an hour.
Not sure if serious...

LoL, considerably by what, 2 years? You're telling me you'd let your 11 or 12 year old walk around unattended on a stranger's farm in the middle of a zombie apocalypse?

Sigh...I really hate over analyzing this stuff seeing as it is a fictional TV show, but I guess I'll do it anyways.

No, I'm not a parent, but I've babysat enough siblings and relatives to know that the second you turn your back on them, they are either crying or have damaged something. So it is essential you keep watch of them at all times...add zombies to the mix and its a matter of life and death. I mean seriously, what else is keeping Lori from watching her kid? Its not like she's working a desk job or taking trips to the mall or grocery store. There should be no distarctions keeping her from watching her child 24/7. She's pregnant for God's sake! There are enough people in the house to do the menial tasks so that she CAN watch Carl.

Nobody watches Carl...NOBODY! He's always sidling up unattended, whether its creepily staring at Randall in the barn, or rummaging through Daryl's personal belongings. I mean look what happened to Sophia when she went unattended? You'd think that and the days upon days searching for her would put some sense into Rick or Lori that Carl shouldn't just be off on his own. Don't you think?

Look, your number one objective during a zombie apocalypse or any apocalypse for that matter, is the survival and protection of yourself and your loved ones. You will stop at nothing to ensure their safety. That means watching your kids no matter how tedious it may be. The second you let your guard down it's a life in the bounty. I mean, you might as well just put a gun to his head and pull the trigger because there is no sense in putting his life and your life in danger if you aren't even going to keep watch over him.

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Old 03-13-2012, 11:25 PM   #220
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You're not a parent. That really says it all. "Oh when I'm a parent I'm NEVER going to let them watch TV or eat junk food." or yadda yadda yadda. People always think they know exactly how parents should behave (ie, like self sacrificing saints, apparently) until they become one themselves. I'm not blaming you for having this attitude, it just comes with the territory of being in your situation, I guess. It's easy to cast stones when you're not a target.

Really all I'm saying about Carl is at that age of prepubescence, he's going to find a way of getting out of view even in the midst of the end of the world. Lori has to sleep sometime, you know. (And again, I really don't think he was away for that long..)

And btw, Sophia wasn't left unattended. She got scared and ran off right in front of everybody. That wasn't anybody's fault but her own.
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I dunno, maybrick--I'm not a parent, and I'm pretty confident in critiquing Carl's parents--just like I don't live in a zombie apocalypse, but I'm OK with critiquing how that's portrayed on the show as well.

Likewise, I don't think the majority of reviewers of film, literature, music, etc. produce in the field they critique. We'd probably have fewer critics (and posters here!) if that were the standard.
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:36 AM   #222
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I dunno, maybrick--I'm not a parent, and I'm pretty confident in critiquing Carl's parents--just like I don't live in a zombie apocalypse, but I'm OK with critiquing how that's portrayed on the show as well.

Likewise, I don't think the majority of reviewers of film, literature, music, etc. produce in the field they critique. We'd probably have fewer critics (and posters here!) if that were the standard.
That isn't an accurate comparison though, because unlike entertainment critics becoming entertainers, most people DO eventually become parents, and it's amazing how quickly the vast majority change their tune. I can criticize the show about as much as anybody else here, but people who seem to think that a parent can keep that close of an eye on their children ALL OF THE TIME are just about as out of step with reality as the writers of The Walking Dead who chose to make their characters commit remarkable acts of stupidity. Just my two cents.

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Old 03-14-2012, 01:06 AM   #223
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Really all I'm saying about Carl is at that age of prepubescence, he's going to find a way of getting out of view even in the midst of the end of the world.
I have less concern about his parents not paying attention (although they sure as hell seem to be more lax than they should be, all things considered) than this twit *repeatedly* not having fully grasped how fucking around on his own is potentially deadly.

Come to think of it, it isn't that a kid can be monumentally stupid in the face of impossible to ignore circumstances that I have a hard time swallowing. Plenty of real world examples of that. Its that this particular kid is still breathing I find shocking.
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Old 03-14-2012, 03:16 AM   #224
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You're not a parent. That really says it all. "Oh when I'm a parent I'm NEVER going to let them watch TV or eat junk food." or yadda yadda yadda. People always think they know exactly how parents should behave (ie, like self sacrificing saints, apparently) until they become one themselves. I'm not blaming you for having this attitude, it just comes with the territory of being in your situation, I guess. It's easy to cast stones when you're not a target.
Are you trollin'? Casting stones? My situation?

I really don't think you are grasping what I'm trying to say here....ITS A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, not a Christmas get together at Aunt Clara's. Watch your fucking kids before they die (Sophia) or find some way to kill somebody else (Dale). That's all I'm sayin'.

P.S. Stop equating real life with the Walking Dead.
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Are you trollin'? Casting stones? My situation?

I really don't think you are grasping what I'm trying to say here....ITS A ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, not a Christmas get together at Aunt Clara's. Watch your fucking kids before they die (Sophia) or find some way to kill somebody else (Dale). That's all I'm sayin'.

P.S. Stop equating real life with the Walking Dead.
Stop being so huffy. I'll stop equating real life with The Walking Dead once everybody stops talking about the "implausibility" of it's scenarios.

Big difference between having to watch your kid in public (Sophia) and watching your kid at home (Carl). Zombie Schmapocalyse... doesn't matter the situation because over time people will become used to any situation no matter how extreme or dangerous. Once you get so paranoid that you can't even let a loved one out of your sight for even a second after you reach a safe haven then you risk going as insane as Shane. Nobody can live in that state of mind for any extended length of time. Not you. Not me. Nobody.

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