When will blu-rays totally replace dvds? - Page 3

Bobholly · 07-20-2012, 08:40 AM

It is simple.

DVD=VHS

Blu Ray=Laserdisc

Laserdisc while better than VHS never replaced it.

Katatonia · 07-20-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobholly

It is simple.

DVD=VHS

Blu Ray=Laserdisc

Laserdisc while better than VHS never replaced it.

I don't buy the Laserdisc analogy anymore. Laserdiscs were vastly overpriced, and hardly available for sale everywhere like Blu-rays are today.

Blu-rays are also far more affordable now, and the format's users have far surpassed any of the Laserdisc user numbers.

Not to mention that really only HDTV's are sold anymore these days, and Blu-ray players are dirtcheap.

crikan · 07-20-2012, 03:50 PM

I think Blu-ray dies before DVD. It won't be long before physical media is dead and I can see DVD's trickling out of indie labels during it's final breaths.

Anaestheus · 07-20-2012, 06:58 PM

My thought, based mainly on personal experience, is that streaming will eventually replace DVD and BluRay will eventually become a "collector's only" market.

So we'll see DVD die once the whole business of streaming gets sorted out, i.e. distribution rights, the common placement of streaming devices like game consoles or smart tvs, etc. Most are right when they site DVDs continued presence being one of consumer convenience and distributor's cost effectiveness. But, I think the streaming model definitely beats those in terms of convenience. Hell, when I'm flipping through Netflix on my PS3, I'll see a movie that I have on disc less than 20 feet away and I'll still end up hitting the stream.

But, the BluRay market will shine for films where you want the best quality and the extras. So, companies like Criterion will stay stable there. And, I'll always want Kubrick on BluRay. And, even though Netflix had Immortals available, I still got the disc because I wanted the visuals as good as I could possibly get them. And for films by Bava or Leone, I definitely want the commentaries. But, those are very much benefits for the niche market. My biggest concern is that this may mean that the prices for BD don't really go down to the point that DVD has.

Ash28M · 07-20-2012, 08:02 PM

Streaming will replace renting but there will always be people like myself who prefer having something tangible you can actually hold onto and display. People burn copies of DVD's or downloading movies, they watch them once and throw them away. Owning a professional copy that you hunted down feels like you somehow own a piece of the film.

crikan · 07-20-2012, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ash28M

Streaming will replace renting but there will always be people like myself who prefer having something tangible you can actually hold onto and display. People burn copies of DVD's or downloading movies, they watch them once and throw them away. Owning a professional copy that you hunted down feels like you somehow own a piece of the film.

I have feeling that wanting to "have something tangible" will be an old person thing (my 37 year-old self included). Today's teens and those that follow are going to be used to disposable entertainment and this idea of owning movies will be a thing of the past.

Having just recently graduated out of the covetted 18-35 age bracket its no surprise I'm starting to feel left out by product manufactures. It's only to to get worse as the things I enjoy become less and less available.

elDomenechHDG · 07-20-2012, 09:13 PM

Unless EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTOR (the majors as well as small indie outfits like Code Red) go Blu, the format will NEVER totally replace DVD. So, the answer is never.

Dobby · 07-20-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by crikan

Today's teens and those that follow are going to be used to disposable entertainment and this idea of owning movies will be a thing of the past.

Most entertainment these days is disposable shit.

othervoice1 · 07-21-2012, 04:41 AM

IMO the answer is yes unless physical media for movies dies altogether first. But I was backing HD-DVD at the beginning so what do I know lol

buck135 · 07-21-2012, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by othervoice1

IMO the answer is yes unless physical media for movies dies altogether first. But I was backing HD-DVD at the beginning so what do I know lol

Don't feel bad. I too supported both HD-DVD (Xbox 360 add-on) and Blu-ray (PS3). I would love to amass a laserdisc collection just for the terrific features many titles possesed that are long gone. Unfortunatly, it isn't any cheaper now to collect laserdiscs as it was in their heyday. I think blu-ray will replace DVD if the recordable media drops in price considerably as well as a blu-ray players inclusion wth the PS4 and the Xbox 8 (?).

allmessedup · 07-21-2012, 06:52 AM

I don't know if streaming will ever entirely replace physical media...there is still a "digital divide" and I don't know if companies will ever want to entirely write off the people who don't have access to high speed internet.

I agree with Saxcat, the backward compatibility issue may allow DVDs to stick around longer than people might think. You can't really compare it to VHS for that reason.

X-human · 07-21-2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by elDomenechHDG

Unless EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTOR (the majors as well as small indie outfits like Code Red) go Blu, the format will NEVER totally replace DVD. So, the answer is never.

By that logic the argument could be made then that DVD hasn't even replaced VHS because Nail Gun Massacre is still being released on VHS.

Although I'm not sure Blu-ray will be the last format I think eventually we'll have streaming vs. high end physical format. It may not be until UHQ HD at 4k/6k/8k or even larger. But eventually film fans will migrate to that system and casual fans will use something simpler like streaming media.

The simple fact is that it'll soon become impractical to sell a DVD only player. The diode that does Blu-ray can also do DVD. So manufacturers will eventually just say, "If you want to watch DVDs still just buy a Blu-ray player. We're not spending any more R&D on stand alone DVD." It's doubtful we'll still see DVDs being manufactured by 2022. If independents are releasing content they'll probably be on Blu-ray because by that time it'll be cheap enough. (Hell even Something Weird is on Blu-ray today.)

Between now and 2022 when will it be? I'm thinking around 2018.

Shannafey · 07-21-2012, 07:40 PM

You guys have pretty much answered this, but even if people don't buy into Blu-Rays, the players are backwards compatible (unlike laserdisc or DVD before them), so there isn't really any reason not to buy a Blu-Ray player other than price and soon enough that will change. Some things I buy in Blu-Ray, some in DVD. This retro VHS shit is so stupid, I'm not even commenting on it! I recently watched a VHS on my HDTV and it looked horrendous, but it was the only way to see the movie. I need to dump it to DVD-R!! Like most of you on this forum, I'll continue to buy movies.

I HATE Streaming services. Most of the time, they don't have what I want, especially when you think about the kinds of movies we like on this forum. I can't tell you how many times I thought about a movie and I have to either buy it or DL it somewhere, depending on availability.

Streaming has its uses. It is a much better alternative than renting and for TV shows, I think it is great. I watch things on Hulu here and there and on my Comcast On Demand. Don't have Netflix, since I don't see the reason to pay for it. I buy enough stuff, that I always have something to watch, but here and there I go to the others. All in all, I don't see physical media disappearing anytime soon. I hope it never does, but if it does, I'll still have my huge collection regardless if I can't buy any more to add to it!!

Franco · 07-21-2012, 09:50 PM

For the sake of planet resources, humans will have to go streaming in the future anyways. Well, that is unless we start harvesting resources from another planet or moon, and I wonder if there's replacement for all we need in the nearer ones, in the solar system.

Bobholly · 07-22-2012, 12:58 PM

I seriously doubt streaming will ever replace physical media. What people don't seem to remember or realize is there is still plenty of places where you can not get broadband internet. And now with lots of the broadband net providers putting data caps on their users that means you can't just stream stuff all the time. Plus there is plenty of people out there that won't use streaming. It is not just older people. I know plenty of people that want a physical product. It is like mp3s,people claimed that they would kill CDs. Well it has been what close to a decade since Itunes started. And CDs are still around. And records are making a comeback.

07-20-2012, 08:02 PM	#35
Ash28M HackMaster Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mississauga, ON, Canada Posts: 5,640	Streaming will replace renting but there will always be people like myself who prefer having something tangible you can actually hold onto and display. People burn copies of DVD's or downloading movies, they watch them once and throw them away. Owning a professional copy that you hunted down feels like you somehow own a piece of the film. __________________ My Updated DVD/Blu-Ray Collection My Horror/Movie Reference Books Last edited by Ash28M; 07-20-2012 at 08:07 PM.

07-21-2012, 04:41 AM	#39
othervoice1 HackMaster Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,386	IMO the answer is yes unless physical media for movies dies altogether first. But I was backing HD-DVD at the beginning so what do I know lol __________________ 'Passion is the source of our finest moments. The joy of love... the clarity of hatred... and the ecstasy of grief.' Angel Passion Last edited by othervoice1; 07-21-2012 at 04:50 AM.

07-21-2012, 06:52 AM	#41
allmessedup It's beer time. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: House on the Park of the Edge Posts: 1,986	I don't know if streaming will ever entirely replace physical media...there is still a "digital divide" and I don't know if companies will ever want to entirely write off the people who don't have access to high speed internet. I agree with Saxcat, the backward compatibility issue may allow DVDs to stick around longer than people might think. You can't really compare it to VHS for that reason. __________________ What would Snake Plissken do?

07-21-2012, 09:50 PM	#44
Franco Weekender Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Peru Posts: 2,031	For the sake of planet resources, humans will have to go streaming in the future anyways. Well, that is unless we start harvesting resources from another planet or moon, and I wonder if there's replacement for all we need in the nearer ones, in the solar system. __________________ What are you doing to make this world a better place? Dying a bit everyday.

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07-20-2012, 08:40 AM	#31
Bobholly Screamy Bopper Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 19	It is simple. DVD=VHS Blu Ray=Laserdisc Laserdisc while better than VHS never replaced it.

07-20-2012, 03:50 PM	#33
crikan HackMaster Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,163	I think Blu-ray dies before DVD. It won't be long before physical media is dead and I can see DVD's trickling out of indie labels during it's final breaths.

07-20-2012, 06:58 PM	#34
Anaestheus HackMaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,032	My thought, based mainly on personal experience, is that streaming will eventually replace DVD and BluRay will eventually become a "collector's only" market. So we'll see DVD die once the whole business of streaming gets sorted out, i.e. distribution rights, the common placement of streaming devices like game consoles or smart tvs, etc. Most are right when they site DVDs continued presence being one of consumer convenience and distributor's cost effectiveness. But, I think the streaming model definitely beats those in terms of convenience. Hell, when I'm flipping through Netflix on my PS3, I'll see a movie that I have on disc less than 20 feet away and I'll still end up hitting the stream. But, the BluRay market will shine for films where you want the best quality and the extras. So, companies like Criterion will stay stable there. And, I'll always want Kubrick on BluRay. And, even though Netflix had Immortals available, I still got the disc because I wanted the visuals as good as I could possibly get them. And for films by Bava or Leone, I definitely want the commentaries. But, those are very much benefits for the niche market. My biggest concern is that this may mean that the prices for BD don't really go down to the point that DVD has.

07-20-2012, 09:13 PM	#37
elDomenechHDG Stalker Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Brooklyn, New York, USA Posts: 488	Unless EVERY SINGLE DISTRIBUTOR (the majors as well as small indie outfits like Code Red) go Blu, the format will NEVER totally replace DVD. So, the answer is never.

07-21-2012, 07:40 PM	#43
Shannafey Don't Monkey With Me! Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: South Florida, But Far from the Hell that is Miami Posts: 6,370	You guys have pretty much answered this, but even if people don't buy into Blu-Rays, the players are backwards compatible (unlike laserdisc or DVD before them), so there isn't really any reason not to buy a Blu-Ray player other than price and soon enough that will change. Some things I buy in Blu-Ray, some in DVD. This retro VHS shit is so stupid, I'm not even commenting on it! I recently watched a VHS on my HDTV and it looked horrendous, but it was the only way to see the movie. I need to dump it to DVD-R!! Like most of you on this forum, I'll continue to buy movies. I HATE Streaming services. Most of the time, they don't have what I want, especially when you think about the kinds of movies we like on this forum. I can't tell you how many times I thought about a movie and I have to either buy it or DL it somewhere, depending on availability. Streaming has its uses. It is a much better alternative than renting and for TV shows, I think it is great. I watch things on Hulu here and there and on my Comcast On Demand. Don't have Netflix, since I don't see the reason to pay for it. I buy enough stuff, that I always have something to watch, but here and there I go to the others. All in all, I don't see physical media disappearing anytime soon. I hope it never does, but if it does, I'll still have my huge collection regardless if I can't buy any more to add to it!!

07-22-2012, 12:58 PM	#45
Bobholly Screamy Bopper Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mississippi Posts: 19	I seriously doubt streaming will ever replace physical media. What people don't seem to remember or realize is there is still plenty of places where you can not get broadband internet. And now with lots of the broadband net providers putting data caps on their users that means you can't just stream stuff all the time. Plus there is plenty of people out there that won't use streaming. It is not just older people. I know plenty of people that want a physical product. It is like mp3s,people claimed that they would kill CDs. Well it has been what close to a decade since Itunes started. And CDs are still around. And records are making a comeback.