The best and worst of Blu-Ray quality

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  1. Paff

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    More importantly, when you switch to BR (Yeah, I call it that. So what? You wanna make something of it?), it's not like you have to give up on DVD. Your BluRay player will still play your old DVDs. If you think the DVD of a certain movie looks better, then just friggin hold on to it. No law saying you gotta replace it with BR. But when you're at the video store, or if a BR disc has more features than the DVD, then you have that option as well. Being capable of all formats is always the best bet.
     
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    Let's see, for a quick look. These movies are a slight improvement over the original.

    Commando
    Days Of Thunder
    Friday the 13th Part 2
    Point Break
    Predator 2
    Tomb Raider

    My Bloody Valentine 3D (sure it looks crisp, but it made the film look awfully cheap) Clear example of how Blu-Ray can ruin a film.

    As for the others in the list, what you have there are Blu-Rays that are considered to be a big improvement over standard and are considered to be on the high end. Not judging those picks, there good, but your list consists of mostly very good Blu-Ray transfers.


    P.S. - I have a little problem with "your argument doesn’t matter" line. What kind of thing is that to say to somebody?
     
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    I'm not sure I understand. I'm sure not many of you here are going to take a chance & buy expensive Blu-Ray's unless you REALLY want the film. I'm sure you guys would wait until they were lower in price.

    For example I'm not one to buy a new release for $16 let alone $26 for a Blu-Ray. I don't care how much I wanted it.

    So it seems like Blu-Ray owners are mostly re buying films they have already. Didn't we go through this 14 years ago? I could see it then, the upgrades (explained before in my earlier post) were understandable.
     
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    Why laugh? That was one of the main pitch points of Blu-Ray.



    Even at $10 a pop (which I GUARANTEE) you spent more. That's at least $2500 (not including the "+" ) on films many of which , I'm guessing you owned already on standard dvd. Plus you own about 10% of the entire Blu-Ray library. :eek:

    Hey, if you got the money, you got the money, god-bless. I have the cash, but choose not to spend it that way.
     
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    If you are sticking to DVD you have to realize it is slowly dying and Blu Ray is the new thing, end of story.

    Trick 'r Treat - DVD is missing almost all of the extras including commentary, deleted scenes, making of, ect.

    Terminator Salvation - DVD missing Director's Cut and ALL the extras! Yes there is a limited store exclusive that includes the extra cut and some of the extras but still.

    2012 - DVD will only be a 1 disc version with an alternate ending, the extra disc with hours of extras will be Blu exclusive

    Those are just a few examples to show that they are giving up on DVD to push Blu Ray and mark my words this will continue until DVDs are extra less. That and every new release on Blu Ray has atleast 1 exclusive extra.

    Anybody that hasn't jumped on yet is just wasting their money as you don't need to replace your old DVDs but you should definitely be purchasing your newer releases on Blu Ray, especially considering they are usually the same price or cheaper.

    And yes, a lot of the Blu Ray releases in the first year were very lacking. Picture wasn't as stunning as the releases coming out now, and they were missing a lot of extras, but that has pretty much stopped now. Some releases leave off their marketing galleries which pisses me off a bit, but other then that Blu Rays include everything their DVDs plus more.

    So Blu Rays have superior picture, audio, and extras, why continue to buy DVDs unless you just don't care very much about movies?

    My advice to everyone that is sticking with DVDs, don't be stupid! Buy a Blu Ray player now as they can be found for under a $100. You can still watch all your old DVDs, no one is forcing you to upgrade them unless you really want to. Your DVDs will look better in the Blu Ray machine as it upconverts them, and you can buy all your newer purchases on Blu Ray with the better picture, sound and extras and save you from re buying them later. I only have a 32 inch TV and a DTS surround system, so the difference is only slightly noticeable to me, but at least when I do one day upgrade I won't have to rebuy Watchmen or Star Trek or Terminator Salvation, ect. over again.

    I really don't get why there is even an argument here. And lately Blu's have been cheaper then their DVD counterparts, so you will make back the money you spent on the Blu Ray machine in no time.
     
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    And as far as those 3 film examples you gave. For you, but me those are 3 movies I wouldn't buy even for standard dvd for under $5. Well maybe...maybe Trick 'r Treat.

    And I'm not buying some crap Blu-ray player for under $100. That doesn't fly with me. There is a real reason why its under $100. And NOT the good reason to rush out and buy one. Nothing in my setup is garbage & I'm certainly not going to start (when & If I move to Blu) with some cheap Blu-Ray player.
     
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    That's just three examples, but just about every new release has something extra on Blu Ray. Do you like Wizard of Oz? Even that Blu Ray had an extra 3 hour documentary. The reason I showed those are they are newer releases and it shows that they are starting to not even bother with DVDs anymore to push Blu Ray. Take my word, this trend will continue.

    As for the cheap Blu Ray player, fair enough, although even Sony Blu players can be found for $150 I believe. And it makes no sense that you refuse to spend a $100 on an inferior player, yet you probably spend much more on inferior DVDs every month.

    I guess to each their own but you should at least start buying new movies on Blu Ray and save yourself lots of cash in the long run.
     
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    I really stopped buying dvd's a while ago. Only on rare occasions, I buy a new release. I usually only buy dvd's that will NEVER see the Blu-Ray light of day. I'm more of a big netflix renter & "downloader"

    Also:

    Also what about the next format? I'll bet anything the next format will be some sort of "cards". No moving parts. Right now I can take a Blu-Ray and rip it perfectly and put it on a flash drive the size of a stick of gum. No moving parts & play it on a HD TV player (no moving parts) the size of a less than a cigar box in full 1080p. And when I said "right now" , I wasn't talking theoretically, I mean't I've done it.

    Trust me, it could be done. The "key" is NO moving parts in the next format.
     
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    If you don't buy movies that I understand holding off until you have a better set up, but for those that buy a lot of movies every month it really makes sense in the long run to switch over.

    As for the next format, there will ALWAYS be a next format, but I'm betting Blu Ray will be here to stay for quite some time. The movie companies have put too much money behind it to let it fail any time soon. And I seriously doubt they will release a new format just to play movies off USB cards as it would be pointless for them. If they were going to release another format it probably would have been with the new home 3D, but instead they decided to just release the new 3D format on Blu Ray. I doubt anyone would be stupid enough to try to create another format war just to make the format smaller and with less moving parts.

    It's pretty much guaranteed that the next format will be downloads, which is still probably a couple years away, and even then I'm betting the two will coexist for many many years after that. It will be like Itunes and CDs. CD sales may have died down quite a bit the last few years, but they still sell a lot as well. There are always going to be a large group of people that want to hold the product in their hand, that want to have something for their money.
     
  10. Anaestheus

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    I can certainly understand anyone holding out on BD conversion for financial reasons. But, for me at least, that seemed a silly idea in the long run. I accept that BD is the new distribution format and that at some point over the next couple of years, I would own a BD player whether I really wanted to or not. My DVD player is a few years old and average lifespan of most technology for me is rarely more than 5 years. And, I knew that at some point I'd probably want a Playstation. So, I had to accept that I will have a BD capable player relatively soon. Besides, I dropped a decent amount of money two years ago and got myself a nice 1080 Plasma.

    So, with that in mind, it seemed like I would end up saving more money if I just dropped the money on the PS3 now. I usually spend about $100 a month on DVD purchases. And a good majority of those discs have BD counterparts that cost (at most) $5 more per disc. Now, I could have held off and dropped my usual $100 last month and picked up a few new titles. But, knowing that there is a better looking version available of a film that I really liked and would eventually want to own at the best quality available meant that if I did buy the DVD now, I would also end up buying the film again on BD when I eventually owned a BD player, which I knew would most likely happen within the next two years, either because I bought a PS or because my current DVD player wore down.

    So, it broke down to this, I either drop money on a BD player and continue to spend the same $100 a month buying BD movies or I hold off, continue spending my $100 on DVDs and the spend another $100 rebuying all those movies on BD when I have BD player. And even if I only replace half of the discs I expect to buy in the next year, that's still $600 that I would be wasting by the end of the year. Knock out the price of a player and I would still be ahead $500. Or at least $300 if I opted for a PS.

    So, two months ago, I picked up my PS3 and I am really glad that I did. The quality difference on a well mastered BD is really stunning. It's nice to know that I am not going to need to rebuy the dozen discs I've picked up since. And I want that quality. That's the reason I got the Plasma set in the first place.

    If you are still watching you movies on a screen smaller than 40" you might not notice the difference. But, if any of you own a nice large 1080 set and if you are still buying DVDs, I can't really say I understand the logic there.
     
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    My point is that if someone hasn't upgraded their TV and cables to take advantage of blu-ray then they should not be giving passionate anti-bluray opinions because they aren't qualified to do so. I haven't seen where you have listed your equipment so I don't know if you qualify. I don’t mean to be offensive, but if you don’t have a nice HDTV running in 1080p than you don’t know what you are missing. Let me exaggerate to make my point. If you have a 36” TV that can only do 720p then you aren’t going to see a big difference between “some” blu-ray and DVD releases. It’s not because of a deficiency on blu-ray’s part.

    And I think most fans blu-ray fans could care less about your complaints about not fitting more content. IMO, more people care about video and audio quailty than the number of discs.

    Not surprised to see those on the list, but I would say that even if those 6 out of my 100 titles aren’t a large improvement over the DVD counterpart than that is still a win for blu-ray. As I stated before, there are many DVDs that are no better than VHS, so it is unreasonable to think there won’t be a small percentage of blu-rays that fail to impress. I’ll try to look at Tomb Raider and Predator 2 this week as I have the best DVDs available for both as well.

    Let me bring up another scenario to make the case that blu-ray is a huge leap better than DVD. I have the Ultimate Edition DVDs and Blu-ray box sets for James Bond. I am certain that all of those movies come from the same transfers and in every case I’ve seen so far, the blu-ray is noticeablely sharper with better colors and black levels. What you see when watching those blu-rays isn’t even possible on DVD. And some of those movies are near 40 years old.
     
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    One of my favorite things about the PS3 is that DVDs no longer stall during layer transitions. That drives me nuts when that happens, but thankfully I haven’t seen that in years.
     
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    Your totally missing the big picture.

    Again you bring up VHS. But its a bad example. Image quality is NOT the only thing that's important when comparing DVD to VHS. Do I really have to explain again the differences between VHS & DVD? A lot of people don't even use a vhs anymore or even in cases have gotten rid of them. People more than not bought those inferior dvds just because of the dvd convenience.

    Plus the thing about 6 out of 100 is still a win for Blu-Ray?

    You do realize your "most" of the other choices are of Blu-Rays that are known to be in the excellent level. What about the others that are above average. What about the ones that you don't own that are considered awful?

    Let's just pretend for fun that 6 out of 100 are average in your list. That's 6%. The whole Blu-Ray library represented would be like 200 average films. That's completely unacceptable for a format that boosts its supposed to the most superior picture quality ever seen in home technology. And we didn't even touch on the % of below average looking Blu's. I was just doing the average looking ones.

    There's only one major difference between Blu-Ray & DVD. Storage space. That's really it. The storage space is what allows for an upgrade in image & sound quality. In all reality, its really not that groundbreaking. It's just like getting a bigger hard drive.

    I explained what I could do with a tiny flash drive & small HD player (both with ZERO moving parts) Now that's groundbreaking.
     
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    I just started to laugh to myself with this recent discussion on if Blu-ray is a win win situation because of people saying their collection has stellar looking Blu-Rays, etc...

    Ok.....

    We are in a The best and worst of Blu-Ray quality thread....

    The pages speak for themselves and again prove my point that people are really all buying just the stellar ones. Everybody is basically listing the same titles.

    Just admit it, Blu-Ray is like having fine china. You only bring it out for special occasions. DVD is like... you know... gets used everyday. :D
     
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    If you read reviews for the 6 you chose you'll find that they are better than their DVD counterparts, they just aren’t the best of what blu-ray has to offer. Any reasonable person would find that acceptable. I notice your not mentioning what your setup is. I guessing you don’t have a 50”+ TV running 1080p. If you did you would not be saying what you are. There is no way anyone that saw Blade Runner, Thunderball or Casino Royale on a modest 1080p setup would say the things you are. Please tell me if I’m wrong.

    I bring up VHS vs DVD because we can learn things from the previous format war. It helps in setting realistic expectations.

    And for the record I have a very modest setup that could be easily duplicated for less than $2,500 these days. It doesn’t take a fortune to get a great blu-ray experience.

    And I don’t hate DVD. I’ve bought just as many DVDs in the past year as I have blu-rays.

    I find your flash drive statement to be silly. Blu-ray’s look better than what you’d get by ripping a blu-ray to a flash drive. IMO you won’t see your flash drive idea anytime soon. It will be blu-ray, streaming and digital download (with DRM) for the near future. One of the things studios like about BD is the copy protection.

    I don’t get your obsession with moving parts?
     
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    Baggio - I don't necessarily understand your points. When people say that Blu-Ray looks better, you seem to be saying "well, of course, you are looking at the discs that are well mastered. What about all the ones that aren't well mastered?" But, doesn't that same argument apply for DVD as well? I mean, how many terrible Brentwood discs are out in the market right now? If you summed up all the DVDs out there right now, I am sure that you would find more than 6% are near or sub VHS quality, Just go to the bargain bin at Walgreens.

    And while the flash drive idea is cool, I highly doubt that is going to happen any time soon. A 16 gb flash drive sells for at least $30. And that's with no data at all. You get near four times the storage on a Blu-Ray. I'd suspect that streaming will catch up long before flash drive prices drop enough to compete with disc.
     
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    You would be guessing wrong. I have a 52' 1080p screen, that's why I mentioned the 1080p player in my earlier posts.

    I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. When I rip or get a ripped Blu-Ray. It's the EXACT image that's on the Blu-ray disc. The player plays in full 1080p, just like a Blu-Ray player does.

    Plus I watch HD content from premium cable.

    My obsession. No obsession whatsoever. No moving parts mean less of a chance of break down. Nothing to scratch. Smaller units. Why is this a bad thing?
     
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    baggio - Well, I guess we’re all entitled to our opinions. I must admit that I find yours to be shocking. I find most blu-rays to be stunning and I’m regularly surprised by the quality of smaller releases like The New York Ripper. I can certainly respect that some people don’t think it’s worth the money to upgrade discs they own on DVD, but I don’t understand how you can be so passionate that most blu-rays do not deliver and experience significantly better than DVD. I do wonder what in our lives makes us have such a different opinion on this subject. Because to me, your arguments sound no different than if you were saying the sky is green and up is no different than down.

    I disagree with this as well. There are quite a few people on this board that have diverse collections. And there are plenty of titles I bought where I knew they weren’t the best blu-ray had to offer before I bought them. And I was fine with it because not every movie needs to be reference quality. I don’t expect that from my hundreds of DVDs so I won’t expect that from blu-ray.
     
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    Personally I think we should just go back to laserdisc. Make them all 16x9 and we are good to go.
     
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    Dave, it's time to let it go and move on. It's the only way to get closure.
     

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