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Discussion in 'High Definition' started by bigdaddyhorse, Aug 27, 2009.
You and your vinyl
Well sure, if you go by Brick & Mortar store prices, Blu-ray discs can be expensive. I mainly buy online where they are far cheaper. Would I rather spend $30 + tax for Inglourious Basterds on Blu-ray in a store the week of its release, or just $17 online? No contest there.
Tell me something, have you actually even viewed a movie on Blu-ray from beginning to end yet?
It's only money, and people choose to spend their dough in different ways.
Blu-ray generated $1.1 billion in revenue in 2009, a 100% increase from 2008. The number of homes that had a Blu-ray player jumped from 3 million to 8 million. Where is it declining? People are buying into it now more than ever. Blu-ray hardware is now cheap enough that anyone with an HDTV can afford it, and really why shouldn't they?
Ive been getting blu movies in the 7-15 dollar range for the last couple years I have been buying them- you dont have to spend 20-30 for bluray movies. I do admit there are a handful I paid 20.00 or more for when they were released but there are still standard dvds being released around that price range as well. And I disagree with the "fine china" scenario. I am finding more and more I go to my hi-def movies over my standard dvd movies - same thing with cable- I hardly even watch the standard channels anymore unless I am in my bedroom where I have no choice.
If the debate is about whether or not Blu Ray is the superior format, there IS no debate. Blu Ray is clearly and factually the superior format.
Seems to me that what is being debated is "is it worth it to upgrade to Blu"? That answer is going to depend on individual preferences and tastes but I would wager for the vast majority of people on this forum the answer is "yes" and for all the reasons previously discussed.
My DVD collection is nearing 2,000 titles. I have no plans to get rid of my DVDs. The beauty of Blu Ray is that its backwards compatible. My DVDs look even better upconverted on my Blu Ray player than they did before. But all my new purchases are being made on the Blu Ray format if a Blu Ray is available, and I am also slowly upgrading key titles in my collection (and other titles when the price is right, Blu Rays are now falling dramatically in price and titles at or under the $10 mark is more and more common).
So far as the comment about how Blu Ray can ruin a movie - not sure this is a valid arguement. Excessive DNR or some other remastering technique to alter the original film will have the same affect whether its mastered on a DVD or a Blu Ray although the problems may be more apparent on the Blu. But these are mastering issues, not an issue with the format. If mastered correctly, the only thing Blu Ray is giving you is a closer approximation to what the original film actually looks like on a theater screen. The Blu Ray format itself doesn't magically transform the original image into something different.
Your kidding, right?
If that's what you noticed , How much better is Blu-Ray over an upconverted standard dvd in your opinion?
Because in my experience, I even seen a very low (under 1 gig) version of a downloaded & burned movie being played on a Blu-Ray machine on a 55' 1080p Samsung. It looked really good. Many people kept asking if this was an original dvd (which would have been around 8 gigs). I was shocked of how good it looked for a crap version.
So imo, it all comes down to setup.
Assuming your talking about my My Bloody Valentine (2009) comment.
Just stating what I saw. It makes it look super cheap imo.
Baggio, this has been going on for awhile now. Let me make sure I understand. Is your main point, that most blu-rays look no better than an up-converted DVD? And that a movie file of under 1GB can look as good?
Your purposely trying to be a wise guy now.
After all this, that's what you took from my side of the issue?
Your obviously not paying attention. What's the point of even having a discussion?
Really? I'm that far off base. I wonder how I got that idea?
We can agree on one thing. This discussion is no longer worth having.
The My Bloody Valentine remake looked like a cheap, shot-on-video (and, it technically was) movie in the theatre, as well. That's the first thing that my friend said when we were done watching it.
So let's get this straight, your comeback is to post these two quotes from me:
And the point of getting Blu-Ray is what?
I thought Blu-Ray was supposed to be awesome. The format is far from perfect. Seems like only about 75% of Blu-Rays are that much better than standard dvd. And horror films being even lower.
Again I ask, what's the point? To spend more money?
Originally Posted by baggio View Post
And you say you have about 100 Blu-ray's. Do you have those same movies on dvd to compare? (because if you don't , I don't know how one can say it's overwhelmingly better) Does the upgrade really justify you spending an additional $20 for the same movie that you already own, for such a small upgrade in quality?
Both which don't even address your comment:
Most Blu-rays... MOST Blu-Rays
So when I said Seems like only about 75% of Blu-Rays are that much better
That rang a bell to you to say that I think
Are you ok?
Sure I didn't mention the upconvert in my very first post. But it was clearly stated in many posts there after. Clearly. And I always clearly stated that Blu-Ray has the slight edge. And gave credit to incredible looking Blu-Rays.
You obviously are not paying attention. That's the real reason not to have the discussion.
And on that:
question. Notice how you don't address that now. You can't. You know dam well I never said that it looked as good as Blu-Ray.
So I took two of what could be considered the lowest quality blu-rays in my collection of 100 and directly compared them to their best DVD counterpart.
Tomb Raider – First off, the DVD of Tomb Raider is very poor. There is not much detail and the colors are not impressive at all. So I wasn’t surprised that the blu-ray is better. That said, the Tomb Raider blu-ray is not impressive either. This might be a case where the source is the problem and we’ll never see an impressive version of this movie. There are times when Tomb Raider shows some detail that DVD is not capable of but there are plenty of times where it looks no better than an up-converted DVD. It is definitely worth upgrading on the cheap for fans because the DVD is unwatchable on a large HDTV but this is worst blu-ray I own.
Predator 2 – I was surprised by how good the Predator 2 (Special Edition) DVD looks. For a DVD it has a lot of detail and great colors in the daylight scenes in the first 30 minutes of the movie. The Predator 2 blu-ray is not impressive by blu-ray standards but is a slight improvement over the DVD. Seeing how the DVD still looks quite good I could only recommend the blu-ray to the most die-hard fans of the movie (count me in as a die-hard fan).
You are kidding right?
Tell me you didn't just prove my points. Tell me I'm dreaming.
Ya, I get it now. For some reason you have a big problem that less than %100 of blu-rays are jaw droppingly gorgeous. And for some reason the fact that not all DVDs are better than VHS is somehow missing the point or irrelevant. Unless I still misunderstand you I think your expectations of the blu-ray format unreasonable. And despite those two blu-ray's shortcomings, I was happy with the upgrade.
And those two movie are best suited for your argument. I have a dozen more that are a significant upgrade. Casino Royale being one of those.
What's wrong with you?
You accused me of something that I never said.
You were wrong, don't get all irritated about it. Admit it & move on. And I think a lot people expect high quality from their hard spent money. This new technology is supposed to be top notch. This is not the only thread about problems of Blu-Ray. And many websites with complaints too. They already have double dipping in Blu-Ray. Different versions being better than the previous one. Come on... that's unacceptable. Didn't these companies learn from the previous format. Even the players are all different. So many versions, with updating and crap. And besides you are happy with your purchase, and that's all that matters, right?
Now go enjoy your Blu-Ray's. Put the disc in , then go make a sandwich.
I'm sure it will ready to play when you get back.
Dude just stop, you are making a fool of yourself. If you don't appreciate the advances of Blu Ray then you are not a fan of film, nuff said.
Good to see I'm not alone.
Here's a Pro tip for ya. Turn off BD-Live and your BDs will load faster.
Be as smug as you want. I haven't seen anyone agree with you on this yet.
Nobody is going to put words in my mouth.
Go let somebody walk all over you. I didn't get to be where I am today by getting pushed around. That doesn't work for me.
Having an open discussion about stuff , voicing different opinions is perfectly fine. and I'm hardly looking like a fool on this topic. I have valid points , just as people do on the other side. What's wrong with that?
Hey dude... I'm not the only one has voiced similar opinions on Blu-Ray on this thread & other threads.
Err... First of all.
I just said that for the first time ever, like 30 min ago.
Second, it was a joke.
And if you really want to go there. Exactly how long does it take your Blu-Ray player to get to the credit/intro's sequence of a movie? And STARTING with pressing the button to open the disc drawer.