The "Torture Porn" Debate Poll

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the great "Torture Porn" Debate

  1. I hate that term. It's condescending to genre fans.

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  2. I don't mind it, it doesn't bother me.

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  3. I love the term. The name fits.

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  1. Grim

    Grim Well-Known Member

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    Dude, I can say that about half of these horror films that supposedly have meaning. I just don't see it. Last House and Cannibal Holocaust especially. They just look like simple exploitation flicks to me. I think people take what they want from a film. If they see something of social significance that others don't, then so be it.
     
  2. Mok

    Mok Family is Forever

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    Matt89, admit it. You haven't even watched Hostel.
     
  3. Ash28M

    Ash28M Active Member

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    I Don't know if Craven put much thought into the social message of Last House. Tobe Hopper admitted it him self when he said. "Sometimes you just film allot of stuff and find out years later what it all meant" Most of the time the message is in subconscious of the director. If it's put there consciously it often doesn't work as well ot it's to much in your face.
     
  4. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    Craven was was a humanities professor before being a director. I'm pretty sure he knew exactly what he was saying.
     
  5. spawningblue

    spawningblue Deadite

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    Who cares if Hostel has a message or not. Why does every film have to be analyzed to death? Some movies, like any Michael Bay film, are just made to entertain, nothing wrong with that. Is it sick to get entertained by people getting tortured, maybe? I for one just love good kills and special effects personally. I would rather watch something like Hostel over any film where some girl gets beat and raped for 20 mins., no matter what the message. Most of the time I just want to have fun watching a movie, not pull out a sheet of paper and take notes about all the hidden messages in the film. And I agree, that a lot of the messages people see in older films is because they put them there. I think MOST of the films made in the past were just made to entertain, scare, or gross us out, and nothing more. Anything extra we see is probably because we put it there.
     
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  6. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    Every film has a message, intentional or not. Hostel is one solid flick btw.
     
  7. Fistfuck

    Fistfuck Slowest to 2000 posts

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    Like Chaos said, Craven is one smart dude, and no matter how dubious his directorial skills may be, the man has thought his way through every nuance of his films.
     
  8. Matt89

    Matt89 Well-Known Member

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    Craven was getting is Ph.D. in psychology when he dropped out to become a filmmaker. He knew exactly what he was doing and knew exactly what he wanted to say.

    But yeah, I've never seen Hostel. :rolleyes:

    ~Matt
     
  9. Matt89

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  10. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    Seen this on the big screen in a Festival in Athens many years ago Matt89. Read many books on the subject. Hostel's still a good movie. A good film, I'd say, if I may be so bold. :p
     
  11. Matt89

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    LOL, but I just don't see where people are deriving all this "meaning" from when it comes to Hostel. With movies like Last House and Night of the Living Dead, it's quite obvious that these films are an allegory of their time. I mean, scenes in Last House look almost no different from the footage of Vietnam that was being shown on TV. It has that raw grittiness to it, and at least Last House has artistic merit (the juxtaposition during Mari's murder and when her and Phyllis are first being humiliated). It makes those scenes quite powerful.

    Hell, (surprisingly) someone like Roger Ebert even noticed Last House's significance upon its initial release in 1972.

    ~Matt
     
  12. aoiookami

    aoiookami Demon Fetishist

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    This thread is turning into another 'Last House on the Left, exploitation or not?' thread.
     
  13. The Chaostar

    The Chaostar Johnny Hallyday forever

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    And porn is a form of art, as well as a good way to cool down a bit. Some horror films work out the same way.
     
  14. Ash28M

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    I own that DVD it's great and have watched it many times. I never said films from the 70's didn't reflect the times. That's where I paraphrased Tobe Hopper Quote from. Films like Hostel are also a allegory of our time though. I may even go so far as to say that they symbolize the times and are a product of societies fears more then any other horror films this decade.
     
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  15. allmessedup

    allmessedup It's beer time.

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    I have a lit degree, and it's a pretty basic concept in criticism that sometimes themes and meanings just show up in work, and the intention of the creator is pretty much irrelevant to whether something is there or not.

    I view it as a different way to enjoy the movies, and it adds to the overall experience of it for me.
     
  16. Matt89

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    I'm currently a literature/film major and yeah I noticed that sort of thing with The Great Gatsby. I felt that more than half the shit we talked about and analyzed in that book was really not Fitzgerald's intention. (The green light across the lake represented Gatsby's love for Daisy). WTF? That book is SO over-analyzed, IMO. It's a fantastic book, but people need to chill out a bit over its analysis.

    But hey, maybe I am being a bit ignorant with the whole Hostel issue. I personally don't think there's anything there, but this stuff can be so subjective anyway (film being art/what is art?/was this movie good or bad? etc etc). Everything's so debatable, and you're never gonna get everyone to agree with you on a certain issue. But I guess that's half the fun of these debates.

    ~Matt
     
  17. Criswell

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    To me, violence must have some relevance to the story. As such films like Hostel need violence but is the amount and explicitness necessary?

    Take the finale of Taxi Driver. 95% of the film has no physical violence at all. its the final exsplosive (sexual?) nature of the final whorehouse scene that overwhelmes the audience. The graphic nature of the violence is artistic and necessary. Travis had simply had enough.
     
  18. Matt89

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    Wow, that's a very good point, actually.

    ~Matt
     
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    I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with it, personally. It's just another form of entertainment. As with all things, it should be used in moderation. Overindulgence in porn isn't a problem in and of itself, but is usually a symptom of a deeper problem.

    My opinion on porn doesn't change the fact that the term is used by the mainstream as a pejorative. Even the industry shuns the term in favour of "adult entertainment" or "erotica", which is understandable given the legal definition of "pornography" in most jurisdictions.
     
  20. thrashard76

    thrashard76 Guest

    I don't mind it, it doesn't bother me.
     

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