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Discussion in 'Slashers' started by snowbeast323, Nov 24, 2008.
What possible word could you be censoring?
SHITE. It's the most British word that exists, along with "rubbish" :lol:
But Kim, I will agree, I do enjoy Prom Night more, but I think Terror Train is a more well-made and polished film. The chase scene in Prom Night is great, though. And it always gets me when she's about to run into the gym and the killer takes a swing at her with his axe and Wendy ducks...fuck he gets SO CLOSE to her head!
I actually agree with this. What I meant was (I was a bit harsh) that it gets really weird and kinda stupid, then all of a sudden, the movie takes a serious turn. (It's like the director didn't know what he wanted to make, a Porky's film, or a horror film). But, I guess that was Hiltzik's intention, but the movie is just weeeeird. I don't hate it, but I enjoyed Sleepaway Camp II more. It has more replay value for me.
I actually agree here too, for the most part. I feel the same way with Maniac. I own the film (as I do The Prowler) but I don't know, it's like...is there a point to Maniac? (Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer is another one.) But then I remind myself that this is the slasher genre, and they're meant to focus on tits and gore. Sure yes, some slasher films focus more on narrative structure and have higher production values, but that's just directors lifting the genre to new heights. Some are just meant to focus on gore, and I know I knock the slasher genre a lot but that's essentially what the whole subgenre is about. Tits and gore, and that's all that people want to see. Me personally, I don't mind the tits but I like something MORE out of my slasher film. I like it to go somewhere, have a bit of story to it. (Which is why I prefer slashers like Happy Birthday to Me and Hell Night).
The thing with The Prowler is that it TRIES to be more than a slasher film, tries to create suspense and mystery, but FAILS horribly. If this movie was censored, there'd be no point in watching it (because the special effects are actually quite amazing).
Track down the new widescreen DVD of Prom Night that was released last year. It presents the movie properly. I know what you mean, you can't see shit all on the VHS (you never could) but the DVD fixes ALL those problems.
And yeah LOL I can just tell you watched a washed-out crappy quality version of the movie. On the old transfers, yes it's quite pink, on the new DVD it's like, "Oh....her dress was red!?" And yeah, the disco beat pulses throughout the chase scene, and I loved how they did that.
An amazing film; one of the creepiest and darkest towards the end.
Greatest film about a serial killer? Definitely Powell's Peeping Tom. Maybe I need to watch Henry again, (been years since I saw it) but I remember getting the same feeling from that movie that I got from Maniac. The only reason I don't own Henry is because I was able to see it through a friend and didn't have to buy it in order to see it. Glad I did.
No not every horror movie, but many slasher movies rely on it. Sure some may have more style and atmosphere than most, but seriously not much. (I can only think of a few excessively gory movies that have this: Evil Dead and definitely Argento, and DEFINITELY Fulci, since that's all his movies have, style, atmosphere, gore...and nothing else.) A lot of '80s slashers were just thrown together and released because it's what people wanted to see. I didn't make that happen. People wanted to see tits and gore and that's what they were given.
Well, I don't know why someone would degrade a horror movie for lack of T&A, but it certainly doesn't hurt a slasher film. I've never been offended by it. I mean, these slashers are cheesy and sleazy (for the most part) to begin with. So, it's not like tit shots are totally out of left-field. If it's there, NICE, if not...oh well, I don't really care. I'm rather indifferent to it. If you had a random tit shot in a movie like...I dunno, Cool Hand Luke, yes I'd be offended because of the context in which it's being displayed. And that whole "have sex and die" motif that runs rampant throughout the slasher genre (it's like the number 1 rule of the slasher film) I mean...if ther's sex, you're gonna see some tits.
Shite ha ha
Haha yeah we'd better just not get into that.
Maybe that's why. I saw it as a teenager too, so maybe it needs a re-visit. Sometimes, it's true, you need a movie explained in order to appreciate it fully. (Like Citizen Kane, it should come with an explanation... and I know... mentioning these two films in the same sentence should never happen, but I feel it's relevant here.)
And I agree LOL. :lol: (Maybe porn was more expensive in the '80s? And seeing tits in a horror movie was cheaper? I'd imagine so, seeing as how the internet had yet to be invented.)
well I am english
I loved the disco music in Prom Night - it's fast, fun, and cheesy. And, what's more, it's integrated into the scenes, instead of sticking out like a sore thumb like those heavy metal songs that Dario Argent slapped on so awkwardly in a couple of his eighties ventures...
Doesn't anyone like The Final Terror, surely I'm not the only one to have seen it.
Henry Is a very well done film and on such a low budget (supposedly $111,000). When I've viewed films like Prom Night, The Burning, and The Prowler (all within the last year) they didn't hold up as well as I had remembered. Of course I've been watching horror films for the last 30 plus years so I'm probably kind of jaded.
By the way even though this is pre Friday the 13th I'm sure there are plenty of fans of Horror High which is being released uncut on December 30th from BCI. I saw this flick on Television under the Twisted Brain title. The two VHS versions I rented both were cut prints so it will be nice to see it uncut. I fondly remember the theme song about Vernon as well.
My favourites are My Bloody Valentine, The Burning, Sleepaway Camp, Terror Train, The Intruder, The Prowler, and April Fool's Day. I picked up Prom Night last year and was extremely disappointed with it. And I agree with that comment about the heavy metal music in Argento's 80's flicks. I hate it, it just takes me right out of the film! He should have just used Goblin for every soundtrack.
I think it's cheesy in Demons as well, although not as bad as that film is just a fun cheesy action horror movie. And don't take it as Argento bashing, I love everything he has done and he is one the director's that got me hooked on Euro horror. I just think some of his movies would have been better without the heavy metal music blaring in during any action scene, although I liked it in Tenebre.
My Bloody Valentine. The Burning is good too - Sleepaway Camp is good also but I didnt like the first one as much as most- actually liked part 2 more
Sleepaway Camp 2: Unhappy Campers
i love Prom Night in all (one of my fave slashers), but i the problem i have with the chase scene is that she has much more space to run, and she hides too many times, In a classroom, a car, then a closet, then she gets her self killed b/c she freaks out when she sees the dead body.
To, me wat makes the chase scene in Terror Train better is that it is so clastrophobic, and there is a limited amount of space, you can only run so far in a moving train, then your cornered, dead. It has more a realistic feel to it to me.
You're right, it's not really Metal music in Tenebre, but I think it fits really well, maybe even better then a score would have. I haven't seen Opera since I first purchased it, but I'll have to look for that scissor scene next time I watch it and see if I agree with you. I do remember one scene of his with Metal music working quite well, so maybe it's the same scene. I don't know, I still love all his movies, and Demons as well, but I wonder how much more effective they might have been with a creepy tension building score, instead of blaring Metal music any time a kill happens. For me personally, it just takes me out of the film, and makes me realize I am just watching a cool kill scene. I feel the same with musicals though, and why I don't really like too many of them. As soon as the singing starts it lets me know I'm watching a movie, and just takes me out of the story, and the involvement I have with the film.
hmm... maybe I need to re-watch some Argento flicks as I thought I remember heavy metal music or rock in most of his flicks. Deep Red and Suspiria get the most viewings from me, and I think their scores work perfectly. For some reason the loud clashes don't bug me as much with the deaths in Suspiria. But you obviously seem to know a lot more about this then me, as I haven't seen all of his movies. I just remember anytime heavy metal music would come up (In any horror movie, not just his), it would take me a little out of the film. I would be excited for the deaths, but still, out of the film if that makes sense.